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« Reply #15 on: Dec 5th, 2017, 09:45am »

No worries at all, and I fully understand the email thing. I didn't even think of that, but it makes perfect sense. I was just getting a little worried the bots would overwhelm the place and end the legitimate discussion. Thanks so much for keeping it going! smiley
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 06:11am »

Whee lots to think about regarding moderation and guess it depends on software. Forum I moderated before was set so that I had zero access to private info of users so that wasn't worry there. Worst I could do was delete messages out of spite and iirc those were still there for moderators and could be restored.

Interesting. Always interesting to find aboup how things work(says info addict smiley )
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 09:32am »

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It's probable that if I took the time to really learn how this forum works I could set it up so that a new admin doesn't have access to personal information. There are three levels of moderators, global moderators, and administrators that I can choose from.

Since right now I don't want to take the time to figure out what does and does not give access to personal information, i'm just giving Don full admin rights. I trust him like a brother.

And he'll have a test right away. I see several more spams just showed up so will let him delete them and the user. It's a repeat user I notice. Wonder why they are so persistenthuhhuhhuh

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« Reply #18 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 2:05pm »

on Dec 6th, 2017, 09:32am, Shikoku Henro Trail wrote:
smiley

It's probable that if I took the time to really learn how this forum works I could set it up so that a new admin doesn't have access to personal information. There are three levels of moderators, global moderators, and administrators that I can choose from.

Since right now I don't want to take the time to figure out what does and does not give access to personal information, i'm just giving Don full admin rights. I trust him like a brother.

And he'll have a test right away. I see several more spams just showed up so will let him delete them and the user. It's a repeat user I notice. Wonder why they are so persistenthuhhuhhuh

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It's probably not an actual human posting the spam, but a computer program, which can unfortunately be endlessly persistent with no human effort spent.

There's some information about moderator abilities here:
http://support.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=faq&action=display&num=1053977629

It's not clear if moderators have a heightened ability to see email addresses or not. If a person's email address is not 'hidden' by the user anybody can see it. For example, I can see your email address and tneva82's email address by clicking your usernames, but I cannot see the address of the topic creator, FlyingDutch. Creating a test moderator account and clicking on usernames will tell you if moderators can see hidden email addresses or not.

But honestly, to be fully effective a moderator should be able to see email addresses. The best way to stop the spam bots is to ban their username, email and IP address, as is laid out here:
http://support.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=faq&action=display&num=1053979963

There is also a censored words list somewhere. It may be possible to impede the spam bots by not allowing posts with the word 'essay' for example.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 02:12am »

on Dec 6th, 2017, 2:05pm, slc wrote:
It's probably not an actual human posting the spam, but a computer program, which can unfortunately be endlessly persistent with no human effort spent.


Yup. It's very unlikely to be actual human effort. Too inefficient for effort/gain.

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But honestly, to be fully effective a moderator should be able to see email addresses. The best way to stop the spam bots is to ban their username, email and IP address, as is laid out here:
http://support.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=faq&action=display&num=1053979963


Would that be REALLY essential though? Couldn't software button have ability to ban those without showing personal info? At least if I would be developing forum software I would put button "ban email" to user's page for moderator which would ban it but do it in background. Moderator wouldn't see it. Similarly moderator sending email to user would go through forum software so he would send mail from forum page with response address being forum's own address so moderator would see replies through forum page.

Albeit that's more work for developing forum software but that's how I would go around it. Maybe it has problems I haven't considered. Never had particular need to develop own forum software smiley

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There is also a censored words list somewhere. It may be possible to impede the spam bots by not allowing posts with the word 'essay' for example.


That needs to taken carefully though or you end up innocent mails appearing needlessly. I could see somebody wanting to post legit mail refering to essay about Shikoku pilgrimage for example.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 03:00am »

on Dec 7th, 2017, 02:12am, tneva82 wrote:
Would that be REALLY essential though? Couldn't software button have ability to ban those without showing personal info?



What you're describing is certainly possible to write if you are creating software. The administrator of this site can't rewrite the conforums.com software though. Conforums does what it does, and that's all it does. A test moderator account can be used to find out exactly what it does. I'd guess moderators can see email addresses, but I don't know.


on Dec 7th, 2017, 02:12am, tneva82 wrote:
That needs to taken carefully though or you end up innocent mails appearing needlessly. I could see somebody wanting to post legit mail refering to essay about Shikoku pilgrimage for example.


Yes it does. If this is done there needs to be some way for people to find out which word(s) is/are blocked. A search of the forum shows our posts right here are the only (non-deleted) ones ever made with the word essay, so it doesn't seem like a big issue, but it would annoy the one person in the future who wants to legitimately use the word.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 08:09am »

This is all a very interesting discussion, but I've just never felt the need OR the desire to get that involved in the moderating efforts.

My goal with the forum was to get other henro talking to themselves, as opposed to everyone sending me email and asking me questions. I don't mind the email, I just don't want my opinion on everything to be the final word on anything. There are as many opinions on the way to do the Henro as there are people walking it.

For the longest time, the forum changed nothing. People posted questions and when no one (or very, very few)responded I posted my opinion. When I went on strike and stopped posting it seems others, like yourselves, finally stepped in and started offering their opinions. I AM VERY HAPPY. smiley

When I started I said I was going to censor nothing but hate, disrespect and spam. And the spam isn't really all that bad, IMO. It got overwhelming lately, but I think that's because I was in Japan for a month and a half and didn't even look at the forum.

I can ban users, but they can just sign up again with a different username. I can ban IP addresses, but it only takes a few seconds to delete a user so i'm not inclined to waste the time with the IP address avenue.

Yes, I can ban words, but as you have pointed out, that's one more word that can't then be used in a legitimate post about the Henro, which seems unfair to me.

So, as long as the spam is manageable i'm inclined to continue doing no more than deleting the posts and the users. Don may go the banning users and IP addresses route, I don't know what he'll do. We'll see.

And, if we need more help, there's always the two of you out there. So, for now, i'm enjoying the conversation, but will stick with checking once a day for new spam and deleting it.

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« Reply #22 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 08:26am »

Sounds good to me. I'm just sharing info about what could be done if needed. Thank you and HenroDon for keeping things going!
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