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« Thread started on: Oct 20th, 2017, 05:47am »

Hello everyone! I am planning on doing the pilgrimage in October 2018 and I had a few questions Iíd like to ask. And yes, I know I am planning this trip way early. smiley

First thing Iíd like to know is how cold does it get during the nights the coldest in October? I am planning to camp out most nights and was just wondering what kind of a sleeping bag I need to take. Iíve checked the weather forecasts but Iíd also like to hear from your personal experience. Basically, does it ever get colder than +10C?

Another thing I wanted to ask was your opinion on my route. I only have 4 weeks to spend (for financial, family and schedule reasons) so I wonít be able to finish the whole pilgrimage. However my plan is to start from temple one and end my trip in Matsuyama. I believe this might be difficult/impossible to do in 4 week by just walking? So would you recommend that I just walk as far as I can and then take the train to Matsuyama when I start running out of time OR should I, for example, walk to Kochi city, then take a train to somewhere around Uwajima and continue from there on?

One other thing Iím trying to figure out is if I should take a tent with me or not and I canít seem to be able to make up my mind, but luckily I still have almost a year to decide. smiley

Thanks in advance for your aswers!
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 20th, 2017, 12:19pm »

Can't help with camping issues but in 17 days i got to temple 36. Bangai temples cost maybe 1 day. Plan takes 18 days more to reach 51 though it could be slower if troubles come but day or two slower due to bangai temples. Still thats 35 days or so so unless you can average like 30km or so per day yeah you run short(i suspect somewhere around temple 43).

Do you plan to continue where you left off? If yes i would walk as far as i could and then get back. If not train or bus could be viable. For example between temples 23 and 24 not much but highway walk lost if you use public transport. Also from 26 to 27 long stretch of highway. Between 37 and 38 and then to 39 could be done with bus. This way you def should reach matsuyama. Maybe even further.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 21st, 2017, 4:17pm »

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I know I am planning this trip way early


I first heard about the Henro almost 2 years ago, and I'm not even sure when I'll do my experience, so there's nothing wrong in taking time to plan the Henro YOU want to do. I think planning's a great bit of the fun & excitement.

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So would you recommend that I just walk as far as I can and then take the train to Matsuyama when I start running out of time OR should I, for example, walk to Kochi city, then take a train to somewhere around Uwajima and continue from there on?


I guess the question is

* Do you want to finish the Henro (by any means necessary) ?
* Do you want to know you've walked as much of the Henro journey as you can ?

There's no wrong answer there by the way. It's personal preference. If you feel this might be the one & only chance to do Henro, there's nothing wrong in doing a 'Henro Highlights' trip and skipping temples to see the sights you want to see.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 22nd, 2017, 03:08am »

The average low temperature for late October in Tokushima City is 13.3 so It might get a little colder than 10 inland and uphill. It won't get to zero, probably never even as low as five.

It sometimes rains in October (it rains all year here -- there's no "dry season") so make sure you can protect your sleeping bag and everything else completely from the rain. Elsewhere on this site is good advice about what to take and wear.

If you take buses for the two 80 km temple-free stretches, going down to Temple 24 and later to Temple 38, you should be fine. If you aren't in Matsuyama on time, you'll be able to take a train or bus for the last 50-100 km or so.

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 22nd, 2017, 04:34am »

Thanks alot for your helpful replies!
on Oct 21st, 2017, 4:17pm, TenaciousAC wrote:
There's no wrong answer there by the way. It's personal preference.

Youíre absolutely right.

I am now leaning towards not skipping any temples (but maybe taking a bus for the longer stretches), just in case Iíll ever feel like coming back to finish the whole pilgrimage.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 22nd, 2017, 12:33pm »

on Oct 22nd, 2017, 04:34am, mirohito wrote:
Thanks alot for your helpful replies!

Youíre absolutely right.

I am now leaning towards not skipping any temples (but maybe taking a bus for the longer stretches), just in case Iíll ever feel like coming back to finish the whole pilgrimage.


That's def one way. BTW do you want to experience more of mountains or sea side? There might be two other options to consider. One would be to start from temple 1(or 88) and do it gyaku-uchi style ie in reverse. Alternatively either start from Matsuyama and head toward #1 from there or say from Sukumo(convenient starting place in that it's reachable by train) that has the temple #39 and start following temples from there.

Now not saying one way is better or worse but the kind of terrain you experience differs. If you start from #1 you will be doing Kochi prefecture which means long walks in highways along the sea. Okay so some mountains in the first week but once you reach temple 22 next major mountain areas will be basically when you reach 44 or so. However starting from #39 you should get those, Yokomineji and maybe even Unpenji.

Starting point is up to each pilgrim. Especially the ones living in Shikoku tend to start one closest to home. So no "wrong" doing there.

Just some options. Another might be do it bike style which should allow you to do it fully. Seems to take about 3 weeks by bike more or less. You could even reserve few days for doing the major walking temples in mountains(12, 60 and 66 in particular. Though getting back to bike might be bit of an issue) if you want to experience that too.

Plenty of ways to do the pilgrimage and none more valid than other. Just a question of what you are aiming for.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 22nd, 2017, 6:19pm »

Make sure you get the guide book - it is indispensible for planning. To maximize the quality of your time I suggest the following:
1. Use bus or train on long segments which saves days. But do choose a few long segments to let the time settle in. For example #17 - #18 is 20Kms of City walking. You could hop a taxi and save a day there. Same for Mugi to Muroto. The 43 - 44/45 could be bussed through Matsuyama and even after 45 come back and buss back to 46. Biggest hop savings come after #50 or so and you really can save time then if you want. Not everyone can find the time to walk all 88 so I suggest QUALITY of experience as the key. Spend a little more time in each temple. The hike to Unpenji 66 is a beautiful path and you can stay up there. It is a temple worth many hours. You could skip takamatsu and do lots of good temple time instead.
Camping is good but you need to stealth camp or camp in Eki-no-michi or parks whaich are lovely. Just be discrete and enjoy the views. I and my son camped almost every night and loved that.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 23rd, 2017, 04:57am »

Thanks again for your suggestions and advice!

Regarding whether I prefer mountains or seaside: I am not an experienced hiker at all and the descends and ascends are the most terrifying part for me, so I don't mind mostly just walking on the seaside. smiley
And yes, I could always start from somewhere else than temple #1 but since I want to also buy some of the henro gear I figured temple #1 is the most convenient place to start.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 23rd, 2017, 06:15am »

Ryozenji is certainly a convenient place to start and to buy all your gear, but lots of temples have the gear. There's a list (on this website?) of which temples have shops with henro gear.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 23rd, 2017, 1:50pm »

on Oct 23rd, 2017, 04:57am, mirohito wrote:
Thanks again for your suggestions and advice!

Regarding whether I prefer mountains or seaside: I am not an experienced hiker at all and the descends and ascends are the most terrifying part for me, so I don't mind mostly just walking on the seaside. smiley
And yes, I could always start from somewhere else than temple #1 but since I want to also buy some of the henro gear I figured temple #1 is the most convenient place to start.


Well starting from #1 and going clockwise hits you on maybe most terrifying hikes of them all cheesy The infamous Shosanji with it's triple climb in a day resulting in around 1400m total climb plus about 1000m of descent or so within a day! And probably on your third day...Not the tallest spot on the mountain but since it goes up, down, up, down and up you climb more than elsewhere.

But views are stunning. For all it's hardship it was still my favourite day on the pilgrimage so far!

As for gear yeah #1 is convenient on that though as above poster said plenty more have that stuff. I would bet hefty sum that #51 on Matsuyama has them, #26 has good store as well, #75 is also pretty likely to have. What items you are generally looking for?

Other options depending on your japanese skill and schedule could be prebuy them. Especially convenient if you have friend in Japan to whom you could post or alternatively if you book first night well in advance might be possibility to to have them shipped there.

Also another option for buying gear would be awa odori hall. Something I found when I visited it this year. Much to my surprise they had hefty amount of henro gear there too. Even if you start from #1 depending on your schedule might be worth going there if you arrive to Tokushima late in evening(too late to really start walking, maybe not able to even get to temple #1 before it closes at 5pm) and get purchases sorted out in previous night. Less things to sort out on the first day of walking cheesy I was pretty prepared IMO and even had done the Chichibu pilgrimage but first day was STILL pretty "whee" day. I was glad I had done pilgrim gear purchases previous day(well except for wagesa that I had forgotten...)

Think I'll use the awa odori hall when I return to continue the pilgrimage. Saves trouble of going from Tokushima to #1 and back again before heading toward Susaki where I need to continue up. Don't need much as most of stuff is usable as it is. Debating about buying new staff or not and def want name slips in case anybody gives osettai but that's about it. Candle and incents too but those can wait for the first temple I reach(37)
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 24th, 2017, 12:38am »

on Oct 23rd, 2017, 1:50pm, tneva82 wrote:
What items you are generally looking for?

I was thinking of buying at least the walking stick, the henro hat (mostly because it looks nice cheesy) and the stamp book, possibly the hakui. I'm not sure about the other things.

That's a good idea to acquire them in advance, I have to consider that as an option definitely.
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on Oct 24th, 2017, 12:38am, mirohito wrote:
I was thinking of buying at least the walking stick, the henro hat (mostly because it looks nice cheesy) and the stamp book, possibly the hakui. I'm not sure about the other things.

That's a good idea to acquire them in advance, I have to consider that as an option definitely.


About same as me. Maybe consider the white shoulder bag. Handy to keep stuff easily reachable like stamp book compared to bagback

The one I'm not sure the dance hall has is the staff. Still depending on time of arrival on Tokushima trip to the 1st temple on day before walk is easy one. Provided you arrive by 3pm latest no issues.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 24th, 2017, 04:52am »

Something else I needed to ask was your feeling on my course. I just have a month to spend (for money related, family and timetable reasons) so I won't have the capacity to complete the entire journey. However, I will Dissertation Help Online likely begin from sanctuary one and end my trek in Matsuyama.
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