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« Thread started on: Jan 20th, 2017, 10:29pm »

Hello everyone!

I ordered the route guide book online, but that was back in late December and it hasn't arrived yet. Usually, even SAL only takes 2-3 weeks to arrive, but I know SAL packages get lost sometimes (I ordered something else from Japan around the same time and also have not received that package; I ordered something else from the same company a week later and have already received it).

I'm still kind of deciding whether I want to try to order online again (maybe through Amazon this time?) or see if I can buy it when I get to Japan. Is it possible to buy it in English in Japan? Maybe at Ryozenji?

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 01:12am »

I ordered mine from the person who runs this very site, but it seems he no longer stocks them in the US.

http://shikokuhenrotrail.com/shikoku/pilgrimagebooksGuidebooks.html#88RouteGuide

I believe there are two Henro supply shops in front of Ryozenji. I only went in one of them, but they did have the English guidebook available there.

You may want to consider picking up the Japanese maps version too. The two guides are very different in layout, and you will run into people who want to mark locations on your map, and they are usually only familiar with the Japanese version.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 02:56am »

They had both english and japanese map books there on 2015 summer when I made quick visit there. Or at least they tried to sell me the english one when I picked up Japanese one cheesy "You sure you don't wnat this english version?"

If you can read Japanese you might consider Japanese version or have both. Apart from what slc said they published new version of Japanese version last april so it's newer than english one(albeit only half a year or so). Possible there's some info there english version lacks. Might be particularly handy if you plan to stay on minshukus etc. Less so if you are camping mostly since that info being outdated is less of a worry.

Though then again english version has stuff japanese doesn't! Very annoying at times cheesy I prefer japanese version but for example it lacvks the minami-awa-sunline route(unless the new edition I ordered this week has it) and all the local specialities etc notes.

I was actually surprised at just how different the maps are. I expected english version to be just that. English translation and that's it. Instead it does have lots of extra info. Enough to make me consider taking both despite being extra weight! Maybe I could take photos of interesting pages to my phone though.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 10:33am »

Thank you! That's a relief to hear.

Unfortunately, I can't read Japanese ^^; I can read hiragana and katakana and a handful of kanji, but that's it. I'm trying to learn as much Japanese as I can before I leave, but with only about 5 weeks left, I'm afraid I won't be able to make a ton of progress (since I also work full time). Picking up both versions of the maps sounds like a good idea, though, if they're a bit different.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 11:16am »

Well most japanese needed is hiragana and katakana. But certainly english one should suffice. If you plan to stay on lodgings much having both(if you don't mind the weight) might be handy due to japanese being newer. But no quarantees there either. But minshuku names etc are in hiragana so if you can read them you would know name.

I'll later show same area from both version so you can see the difference
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 12:29pm »

Due to size of images I put them as URL. If that's problem say and I switch to img tag.. There's no spoiler tags here? Those are handy as they allow not loading img until somebody wants to show the spoiler tag.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16178754_1278373822205505_2676090289016494396_o.jpg?oh=4d31440bd4d0048df1268454d1b19b53&oe=591F5BAF

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16179425_1278373782205509_3875615002264712265_o.jpg?oh=a708c8286d7f6fe4b1d35e47bb16b8cf&oe=591DE7C3

First is the Japanese version while second is english one. Both pictures start from temple 23 so english version has the minami-awa sunline which goes right of temple #23 with green line passing Senba Kaigai cliff.

Japanese version is read from right to left(ie page 1 is where western books ends) while english book is reverse. However with walking direction it's bit different. Basically japanese version is mostly from right to left but not always. This means compass is all over the place. Sometimes north is up, sometimes south, sometimes south-east etc.

English one meanwhile compass is always UP. Therefore most of the first half you are walking right to left but around ehime you switch to left to right.

On english version you can see "tourism guides" like the minami-awa sunline. Also local foods and festivals and other historical spots gets introduced. It also has temple histories etc on pages directly rather than separate volume like japanese. This could be useful.

Konbini's, super markets etc are differently marked. In Japanese they are green circles with C for konbini, S for super market. In english they are small logos of said konbini. English version you can see red block with number 23(temple 23). Under it you can see onsen symbol(similar look in japanese) and konbini symbol.

Ryokan/minshuku are in japanese purple circles with number with phone number available at the end of the book with page/dot number. In english it's directly on page.

Biggest issue you would have for deciphering japanese map would be map symbols. Names of places you can read from hiragana so that's no issue. But symbols are bit different. IF you want I could do quick rundown of symbols?

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 6:46pm »

Just so you know there is also a Henro supply store with the guidebooks at the base of temple 10. That's where I decided to buy the Japanese version after somebody wanted to mark my map with places to sleep but couldn't make sense of the English version.

The English version is actually much easier to understand because North is always up, but people in Shikoku who know where to sleep are just more used to the Japanese version.

There's also a Henro supply store in the basement of Matsuyama City Station around temple 50-51 just in case you need it.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 22nd, 2017, 12:33am »

Well which is easier to read is subjective. For me Japanese one is. Walking direction being more constant right to left, map being less crowded. I have particular dislike of the konbini symbols and while name&phone number in map page might make quicker to find those it also makes for more crowded page and covers up map details.

Just noticed also they don't neccessarily agree on what konbini/supermarket each is. Near temple 3 is supposed to be one of each but name is different in the two versions. Guess they could have changed owners between two.

Oh and scale in english version is bit more "generic". Smaller pages so to get stuff to fit they have reduced scale and made more pages. Scale is not dramatically less accurate but being one that can get lost on straight road I want as detailed map as I possibly can get my hands on cheesy

Japanese version is thinner but wider and taller. English one has plenty of pages at the front which aren't going to be needed day to day so would have been better served in separate pamphlet and partially due to this is tad heavier which can be factor if you are only looking for one to carry(albeit not for OP since looks like he would be better served as english only if goes for only one).

The two versions are quite different. I was very surprised at just how different! I was expecting japanese version just translated but feels like two different groups were doing map separately. Obviously if you can only read one language choise is easy but if you can use both it's going to be bit harder to decide which one you prefer. Both have strong&weak points aplenty.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 26th, 2017, 5:28pm »

on Jan 20th, 2017, 10:29pm, kotoko wrote:
Hello everyone!

I ordered the route guide book online, but that was back in late December and it hasn't arrived yet. Usually, even SAL only takes 2-3 weeks to arrive, but I know SAL packages get lost sometimes (I ordered something else from Japan around the same time and also have not received that package; I ordered something else from the same company a week later and have already received it).

I'm still kind of deciding whether I want to try to order online again (maybe through Amazon this time?) or see if I can buy it when I get to Japan. Is it possible to buy it in English in Japan? Maybe at Ryozenji?

Thanks in advance!


I bought the English translations of the 88 Route Guide and "Visiting the Sacred Sites of Kukai" through Amazon Japan in 2015, and I received them in less than a week. If I remember correctly, there was only one shipping option, and it was pricey. Google's automatic translation does a good enough job to let you navigate the site even if you can't read Japanese.

That said, I was surprised to find stacks of the English route guide at the Ryozenji gift shop/stamp office last February. I also remember seeing the English book for sale at/near other temples, but my memory is hazy on the exact locations.



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